Jack The Ripper In America. Did Jack The Ripper Visit The United States?
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Jack The Ripper In America
The Ripper In America
Once Jack The Ripper stopped killing in London what happened to him? Where did he go and why did the murders in London stop?The answer to those questions may be very simple indeed. Jack the Ripper may have come to New York City where he continued his horrific murders. And the then New York police may have known but covered up the fact to prevent mass panic.
Did Jack The Ripper Come To New York And Commit Brutal Murders There In 1891
On the morning of April 24th 1891 a woman's body was discovered in a cheap hotel in New York City. The then Chief Inspector of the New York City Thomas Byrnes had said many times in the newspapers that if Jack the Ripper ever showed up in New York he would be caught in just a few days. The woman's body that was found on that April morning had been murdered in a most vicious manner. Her stomach had been cut open and her intestines were thrown around over the bed. And most shocking of all was the fact that some of her female organs were gone. Scrawled on the wall was a message in blood written to Chief Inspector Byrnes. It said " Okay catch me Boss " New York City went into a panic and the newspapers reported that Jack the Ripper had arrived in America.The murdered woman had been a prostitute and she had been seen going to her motel room with a male client at about 10.30 the night before she was found murdered the next morning. People remembered the prostitute was drunk and giggling and the man with her as silent and grim. It was reported the man carried a case much like doctors of the time carried.
Almost at once the New York newspapers had a great time at the expense of Inspector Byrnes pointing out that Byrnes had said he could catch the Ripper in a day or two if he ever made the mistake of showing up in New York City. And though the details of the murdered woman on that April morning were never disclosed to anyone other than that note written in blood on the wall it leaked out quickly that their were many similarities between the woman's murder in New York City and the London White-chapel murders known to have been committed by Jack the Ripper.
Inspectors From Scotland Yard Came To New York City
It is a historical fact that members of London's Scotland Yard came to New York City at least twice in 1891 to examine evidence and a letter the New York Police had to see if they could connect the murders in New York City to the Jack The Ripper murders in London. So they must have thought it was quite possible that Jack The Ripper had traveled to New York City and committed murders in New York City.
Three More Murders In Eleven Days
Over the course of the next eleven days three more brutal murders took place in New York City all with in a few miles of the first murder that took place on April 24th 1891. In all three cases prostitutes were attacked and ripped apart in a brutal fashion. And in all three cases female body parts were cut out of the bodies and taken away. But then the murders stopped. Why? There have been rumors for many years that New York's Chief Police Inspector received a package with a bloody body part in it and a taunting letter saying that Jack the Ripper was moving on to another city because he now knew that Inspector Byrnes was incapable of catching him. Inspector Byrnes denied this ever happened but some police and newspaper sources at the time said that yes it had happened and that it haunted Byrnes the rest of his days and that Brynes was never quite the same again.
In October of 1893 a New York newspaper received a letter supposedly from Jack the Ripper and in it were details of the murder of Carrie Brown the prostitute who was murdered on April 24th 1891 in New York City. It is said the letter contained details that only the person who committed the crimes would have known. In the letter it stated that Inspector Byrnes wasn't able to catch anyone much less Jack The Ripper. If this letter was truly from Jack The Ripper it is the last known correspondence from him. That letter is still in the possession of the New York Police. A Police Inspector from London's Scotland Yard came to New York City and examined that letter and said to him the letter appeared to be in the same hand writing as the letters received by London's Scotland Yard Police.
So what do you think about the New York Murders. Do you believe it was the work of Jack The Ripper. Do you believe that Jack the Ripper came to New York where he committed at least four brutal murders in the spring of 1891. And what happened to Jack the Ripper if he did commit those four murders in 1891. Why did he stop. Where did he go. Its quite possible he simply moved on to another city where he continued to kill. But if so he took no credit for his crimes. Post your comments below and let me know what you think.
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The Real Face Of Jack The Ripper , James Kelly
Jack The Ripper Revealed At Last
One Hundred Twenty Five Years after the Ripper Murders we may now know the true identity of Jack the Ripper. And not only do we know his name which is James Kelly but we may also now know that he came to America and killed Carrie Brown in 1891 on Manhattans lower east side. And as he traveled around America he may have killed women not only in New York City but also Georgia and Texas.
Medical Examiners who have examined the crime scene photos from the White Chapel Murders in London and the crime scene photos from the American killings say that the same person committed all the murders. James Kelly escaped from a London Insane Asylum with a homemade metal key and when he returned to that same Insane Asylum 40 years later he wrote a detailed confession telling of his travels in America. James Kelly has long been a suspect in the White Chapel Murders and now it is believed he also killed many women almost all prostitutes while he was in America.
And so we now know who Jack the Ripper was and what a horrific serial killer he really was. James Kelly in fact killed the wife in the photo above with him and he was in the insane asylum for killing her when he made the homemade key and escaped. And he killed his wife who we know he killed in much the same way as Jack The Ripper killed. He cut out her insides and threw them around the room. The horrible way he killed his wife is what sent him to the insane asylum.
How Did James Kelly Kill His Wife
In 1991 I purchased the documents where I got the story of James Kelly killing his wife in a brutal matter as described instead of just cutting her throat as is widely reported as being the story. Supposedly the documents I purchased at a London Street Market were the property of a police officer during the time of Jack the Ripper. It was told to me that the journal I purchased was the policeman's private notes about the Ripper murders.
It is a well known fact that at the time of the murder of his wife that murders were often cleaned up as far as to details to keep the more brutal details out of the London Press. It is said that this was done on orders of the Police Superintendent Thomas Arnold. It is a historical fact that the message written on a alley wall was quickly washed away on Arnold's orders and we will never truly know what that message said. Why was it washed away so quickly? What did it reveal? What did Arnold cover up by having the message quickly washed away?
The picture above of James Kelly and wife was in the papers but I do not know if the woman in the photo was the wife he killed. In the papers I purchased written on the back of that photo it said , " James Kelly and Wife ".
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I would really like to read the police report on the New York Murder cases that may have been committed by Jack The Ripper.I am trying to get a copy of them. Will post here about it if I am able to obtain them
Very well done indeed.
Thanks Chris Friend for your commment.
It would definitely explain why the sudden ending to the murders in London. It would also fit with the suspect for Trumbold(sp). He was known to come back to the states, and that Scotland Yard even followed him over here. Makes you kind wonder.
This is a great piece!! I have always been fascinated by cold case type stuff. I think he probably did come over and commit those murders. It would explain the vanishing. I am wondering if there were any other similar killings in another American city after the letter. Boston or Philadelphia would probably be the most likely locations.
VERY interesting Hub!
I haven't seen much on the Ripper in America idea till now.
Thanks for the comments. They are appreciated. And there is also the story that Jack may have in fact been Jill.See the below URL.
I just watched a full case study last night and I think it is much more than theory. Now to uncover the zodiac.
I just watched "Jack The Ripper in America" that I had recorded last night, and My mouth dropped when the "cold case" Investigator doing the research( talking about the many cities that James Kelly had admitted visiting in America in the 1890's ), showed an old newspaper article about a woman killed in 1895( similar in nature to the other killings ), in Jackson, California.
Well, I live in JACKSON( which was a "booming" gold-rush town in the 1800's ), and to think that maybe, just maybe, Jack The Ripper was here( current population; 4000+ ).
C R A Z Y ! ! !
Yes it appears that James Kelly aka Jack the Ripper may have in fact killed women all over the USA. He could just possibly be one of the worst serial killers ever in history.
I watched the documentary as well and was enthralled, for some reason I as well love that sort of thing. Morbid? Maybe. That cold case detective was amazing I thought in his research. I agree, he should tackle the Zodiac killer next.
I had never heard any information about old suspicions of Jack the Ripper killings in America. I find the theories and information fascinating. If the timelines match up and different facts can be verified, (as well as can be done for 100 yrs old)this can make for some very compelling possibilities. Hmmm....Very interesting.
Isaw the Jack the Ripper in America documentary and found it fascinating. I must sat I long believed there were more
Ripper murders and feel these murders confirm my theory. It
would be wise to scour all major city newspapers and check for any similar murders. Where was Jack between late 1888 and 1890? If anyone finds similiar murders in that time period please report in. We need to fill that two year gap
and where did he go after New York. In addition what the names of the other 3 victims in New York? Please remember that when examining any such murders the MO and signiture must match the one's in London. Hopefully this new information will enable us to positively identify Jack. His victims deserve justice! marymagaldo@basicisp.net
WOW!!!! Of all the books I've read on Jack the Ripper I've never come across this theory, but it fits!!!! It makes sense to me. Can't believe I didn't know this before . I've been such an avid Ripper 'fan' Great to read something different and perfectly plausable. Thank you.
This is the only of the 'Jack the Ripper identified' theories I find to be entirely logically consistent. It is my opinion the Ripper case will never be solved beyond reasonable doubt, unless we may one day be able to travel to the past (which physics deems impossible). Simply been waaaay too long. BUT, I do believe when one mentions Mr. James Kelly, they may justly have an 'aka' along the lines of 'Jack the Ripper.'
It is a bit disappointing, taints that iconic green tinted full moon looming above Victorian London in the time of Jekyll and Hyde mystic. He's not what people love to imagine the Ripper was like, an evil genius top surgeon. Its a lot like Lee Harvey Oswald, he's a rather pathetic character, we want it to be sensational, and James Kelly is not such. So, I expect most people, especially those Ripperologists, to be resistant to this theory.
Anyway, if the Ripper has been identified, move on to the Original Night Stalker aka East Area Rapist. He's by far the worse serial killer I know of, his method (woke you up while you're sleeping in your bed, standing over you)/brutality/number of victims...oh yeah, he was the basis for California's passing a law permitting involuntary DNA profiling of offenders. It's cracked a ton of cold cases, but ironic as anything, it hasn't cracked the case which started it all.
thx i am writing a paper for school on jack the ripper and this really helped me thank you very much
Interesting theory, question Why would the Ripper go to America? He was never close to being caught in the UK, Then is the ripper American, his knowledge of London was exceptonal and it would appear he was at home in New York.
Possible solution copycat killings two seperate killiers yet very simillar in thier actions.
An interesting theory. It would explain why he was not caught in London, after 1888, although the incompetence of the police had a great deal to do with it. It's a pity no-one has looked into similar murders between 1891 and 1920 in different American cities. However there are one or two details I would question: James Kelly did kill his fiance but was never married. The man in the photograph with his 'wife' is too old to be Kelly. Kelly stabbed his fiance in the neck and did not scatter her entrails around the room. Therefore he did not kill his fiance in the same way as Jack. He did not slit her throat. He was sent to Broadmoor but only after a death sentence was commuted.
i watched a documentry last night on the ripper and james kelly, a american police officer looked in 2 the letter that he rite after returnin to the mental asylam, he folowed up all the dates of the murders and where he was at that time. all the evidance proves that the killer is infact james kelly and i believe it to be. what anoyed me tho was the fact that the suspected him first but gave up on him. they could of solved the case years ago
Ed did a fine job and I commend him for his intricate work. Well done! However, it is not mentioned in all the comments above that James Kelly took on an alias when arriveing in America..i.e. John Miller. Funny to mention that the name John is a nicked-name for Jack.
I completely agree with James Kelley theory. There is even more evidence then is listed here, however, one thing is wrong: he killed his wife only by slashing her throat. The insanity was brought up only days before his execution after a medical doctor visited him and concluded that he was insane rather then just a murderer. Then they placed him in a maximum security insane asylum, instead of hanging him. While I am against death penalty, in this case it appears that it would've been better if they just hanged him...
I recently watched the Jack the Ripper in America documentary and all the pieces are fitting that James Kelly was the ripper but the letters should have been analyzed by handwriting experts and there was no mention of that in the documentary. To me that would have been conclusive evidence.
I have done some research in some old cases, such as "Jack The Ripper". From what I've found from this case, I would say that it was James Kelly. I've not got the police reports from the murders, thought to be, done by "Jack The Ripper". If anyone gets anything such as new leads, pictures, reports, and so on. About "Jack The Ripper" or even new theory's, please contact me!
My e-mail is: searching.possibilitys@gmail.com
We may be able to share what each of us have, to help both of us. I'll post again when I get the reports.
I'm a big fan of the case and have heard many I'm watching a show right now on Discovery talking about this theory
i would enertain any comments on the final years of said james kelly was he ever convicted of any crime s ????? or did he just die of olde age ???? such great mysteries deserve some answers dont you agree ?????????????? chris at worldrover1111@gmail.com
jack the ripper is why i am going to be a cop
I don't think Kelly is the most likely suspect. You should look more into a Frances Tumblety. Tumblety was known to collect the uteruses of women and arrange them by social class. He was previously married to a woman who turned out to be a whore. He publicly denounced women. It is possible he was the Batty Street Lodger also. He was charged on suspicion of the Whitechapel murders, but escaped and fled to New York. Around the same time, Scotland Yard sent an inspector to New York in search of the Ripper. Though who they were tracking was never revealed. Tumblety's name remains absent from most original suspect lists, as it was "kept secret" supposedly in order to prevent the loss of the primary suspect.
ive never been much into seeing past events or anything. im not a "jack the ripper" freak, never did any research or anything, buti dont think any of the suspects are jack. i also think that jack didnt go to new york, jack was FROM new york,visiting abroad. when law enforcement started getting to close, he RETURNED HOME to new york and continued
Caught the documentary too and then it was on again this afternoon. I have never heard of Frances Tumblety but sounds interesting. James Kelly also sounds like a good possibility. Either way It makes sense that the Ripper would come to America. New York was a big city like London. There were thousands of immigrants comming in each day. Think about it if he went to Europe the route would be France. A few English may go to France each day and their logs would be much more acurate. If say 300 a day come in and all of a sudden bodies start popping up it is much less chaotic to try and see who came from London recently. In New York you are talking so many that the records were probably inaccurate and even if they were could the police really chase thousands of leads? Also, Scotland Yard raided Kelly's residence, this shows that the Ripper was not untouchable in London even if he was not Kelly. The Ripper had to know that his time was running out. The more he was on the prowl the more people saw him, even if they didn't realize who they saw. Towards the end of the Whitechapel murders people were really starting to pay attention to who was out and about. When you are the Ripper and you walk down the street and every conversation you overhear is about you and your crimes it has to have an affect. It wouldn't be hard at all to make the choice to leave. As for dropping off the grid after New York. Well, I guess you eventually know that you either keep killing anonomously the rest of your life or you keep trying to make sure everyone knows it's you and the murders are linked. But as long as you are in the limelight you gotta feel the net closing in. They say most killers want to be caught but Jack and the Zodiac are different animals huh? It must take a lot of self control.
Has anyone checked any killings that may fit jack the rippers in other countrys?Maybe mexico,south america.Someone who kills like that would not stop.He had 40 yes to commit more before going back to the insane asylum. 0
Though we will never no for certain the case against James Kelly seems good. It is frightening to think that JTR came to America. I also like the idea of looking into other counties for possible murders in that 40 years. Amazing that we just cannot let this case go.
On a TV show it was proven that James Kelly traveled to New York from Rotterdam, Holland, on the ocean liner Zaandam and arrived in New York on October 7, 1990. This is plenty of time for him to committ the murders in April 1991. James Kelly was an upolsterer and skilled at using very sharp long kives. Similar murders to the "Jack the Ripper" murders, also occurred when he was in New York, NY., Atlanta, GA., New Orleans, LA., Galveston, TX., Los Angeles, CA., and San Fransico, CA. This is too much coincidence, James Kelly was Jack the Ripper.
This may be a stupid point but it is also coincidental that this guy's name is James. Very similar to Jack Thats all
For years I have felt Francis Tumblety was the number 1 candidate for being Jack the Ripper. I had known that Tumblety had fled London for New York when he discovered he was a suspect. He died a few years after he returned in a madmouse. I read the book about James Kelly when it came it and he quickly became my number 2 suspect. Like Tumlety, Kelly suddenly disappeared from London. In his confession, Kelly stated he had moved all over the United States. According to Norton, the cold case investigator, Kelly admitted to being in cities when bloody murders occured there. I think Kelly is a good suspect indeed, but we shouldn't fill-in the emply blanks with speculations. I also believe that our own English cousins have always been able to shove-off their failings by blaming it on the Irish, Americans and Irish-Americans.
i think tumbley was jack the ripper.the police wouldnt have chased himallover the country for a gross indecency charge,it had to be something far more serious.
I have read your other article, Jill the Ripper, and I completely agree on the theory that Jack the Ripper was actually a demented midwife. Midwifes could have blood on their clothes without anyone stopping them because they would think the midwife got the blood on them because of their trade. No one would suspect a woman anyways. And because everyone was looking four a man, a woman could go around the city freely. As for the Jack the Ripper in America, it would explain why he/she disappeared from London. And if it wasn't a woman, I think it would be Francis Tumblety, because I've heard such gruesome stories about him killing woman and taking out their body parts, and arranging them according to social class. How terrifying! Anyways, I would really like to learn more about this case, so if you post anymore, please put links in the comments!
I'm reading Patricia Cornwell's "Jack the Ripper: Case Closed" right now, in which she alleges Jack the Ripper to be a man named Walter Sickert. He lived in White Chapel during the time of the murders. According to Cornwell, he was somewhat enigmatic and reclusive. He was an art student studying under an acclaimed artist of the time named James Whistler, and much of Sickert's art depicted nude females either lifeless or about to be so... Cornwell's evidence is pretty compelling, except that he lived in England the entirety of his life, so, the New York murders could not have been committed by him, therefore if those murders were indeed JTR, that absolves Sickert. What about the idea of a copycat? Is that even possible for the 19th century? News of the slayings must have traveled to America somehow? I don't know. I've always been oddly intrigued with JTR... Not sure what that says about me haha but whatev.
i dont think the whole " hes from new york" theories are right at all. He killed london prostitutes in the streets which he knew cuz he lived there and paid for sex in. and when he was in New York he brought the prostitutes to Hotel Rooms, so he didnt know NY streets at all, he had to get a room to do the killing, cmon guys think
I just watched the tv show about this (on Monday 6/21/10) and it is the single most intrigueing theory about the case in my mind its basically solved. Everything Imean EVERYTHING made sense backed up with facts. I dont remember what channel or the exact title of the show I was wondering if anyone knew if and when it would be on again and what channel so I can DVR it or if theres a way I can get a copy to own. If anyone knows please leave a post on this site. thanks
While I agree the James Kelly would fit for JTR in many ways I just have to question his ability to remove organs from the women so quickly. While he would have been good with a knife, could he have cut open Annie Chapman and removed her uterus and upper portion of the vagina in a matter of minutes? At least if the timeline described by witnesses of that crime were accurate.
Other than this lingering question I do think James Kelly fits very well as JTR.
Does anyone know how public the "Boss" letters were made? Were they published?
Although the James Kelly thoery makes sense I really don't think the real Jack the ripper would confess who he is. He taunts police and relishes the fact they don't know who he is and the fact they can't catch him
James kelly supposedly wrote a description of his travels in America when he returned to the asylum. Have they ever tried to match that handwriting with the "Jack the Ripper" letters written during his killing days in White Chapel?
As an upholsterer, Kelly had spent a lot of time restuffing couches. As a habit, he would cut an X on the upholstery and punch through it in order to grab at the stuffing inside and replace it with the least damage to the fabric.
This is crazy!! I think it is also cool how you were able to get pictures too, i am very fascinated by this stuff, thankyou for putting it up!!
i think jack the ripper was Francis tumblety or Thomas Cutbush , they both had anatomical knowledge and were both suspected of being in the same area that the prostitutes were killed, My theory is that they both committed these murders together , and mislead the police into thinking it was one man
The interest in Jack will probably still be around hundreds of years from now...partly because, I believe, the Victorian atmosphere in which the crimes were committed will never be duplicated again in history, so it will always be unique.
i love jack the ripper!!
Jack the ripper is the most controversial killer in the history, his fame will outlive Oswald, Charles Manson and pretty much everyone one else. If I recall correctly, he is the first killer who teased the detectives with letters and yet remained undiscovered. Taking this into account, the murders in US could have been copycats, who knows.
I believe that Kelley was JTR. Too much in common. Too bad they can't match the letters in England to the newspapers and his handwriting when he went back to Broadmoor Asylum. Would be a closed case.
i like your theory about jack the ripper it makes lots of sense. i was trying to do some research myself on him and now have some questions on what you have said above.
now considering his last murder was suposedly in november of 1888, then the first murder of new york was in april of 1891 then it makes you wonder what happpened in these three year gap. what was the fastest travel of the 1800 and how long would it take to get from london, whitchapel to america, new york??
another question refering to jack being in an asylum. i figure if jack had been insane i should have looked for the number of insane asylums in whitchaple, if this insane asylme (you mentioned with James Kelly) had been found on whitchaple road, it is possible that he had been waching Nicholes (jacks first victim) on a daily bases as she walked to a bar called the frying pan pub! i find this makes a lot of sense since Nicholes mention she kept spending her money every time she went for a drink!!! im happy how much this makes sense. so what asylme did james go to??
finally one question id still like to ask is if Jack the ripper had used a knife is it possible he stole them from the asylm???? then he may already have some knowledge of how to use the knives, and the certain parts of the body, from being in the asylme. but what occupation did James have?? was he poor? rich? smart?? id like to know if any one has any ideas.
also reffering to james. if he did go to an asylum it explains why nichols was killed at 3:40 in the morning. James (if he was jack the ripper) may have picked a time where all the nurses and doctors were asleep, and a time that Nichols would go to the bar....im guessing he may have gotten out of the asylum that morning and followed Nichol.
now if james really was this decisive, i would wonder why he decided to move from white chaple to new york also why did he only kill 4 women in the time of about 11 days?? it doesn't make sense how he took his time in whitchaple and just went on a killing spree in new york. also refering to the writting on the wall doesn't make sense either.... why hasn' he done something like this before?? maybe he was experimenting? Also why would he just stop killing and send the police a letter years later??
anyways i loved the information. its incredible how you found this and related it to jack the ripper in whitechaple. It makes a lot of sense how james could be jack the ripper. sorry for all the questions!
I find thus truly fascinating because Jack the Ripper is my my fav serial killer and the thought of him being here in New York really makes me happy.He may have killed women but it may have save other women because they would have been scared 2 be outside late at night including they had what was coming 2 them teaches them a lesson that what they r doing can kill them.
I am not a crazy person a matter in fact im perfectly sane who has a kind heart but can be cold at times
H.H. Holmes, aka Herman Mudgett, sold skeletons to London medical schools the summer of 1888. All someone needs do is research Cunard's passenger lists and ask Scotland Yard.
The show on Discovery Channel by this name was really excellent. It really leaves no doubt that James Kelly was the killer.
jack the ripper was a bad cerial, but there was one guy who killed over 218 people, a doctor harold shipman.
If there is any DNA available from the crime scenes in London, a DNA sample could be matched against current living Y-DNA submitted to genealogy surname sites (eg. Family Tree DNA), rather than trying to match to typical crime file DNA. If there are living male descendants of Jack The Ripper in the DNA study, a 67 Marker Y-DNA (high-resolution genealogy test) would likely match a surname in the Genealogy study to the murder scene, by cross-referencing the determined surname to the surnames of families living in the Whitechapel area at the time (c.1888). Avoiding legalities, the old DNA could simply be submitted to any Genealogy study as a Y-DNA Participant.
I like him better than any other suspect I have read about, but the case against him is entirely circumstantial, there is no physical evidence.
bh the only DNA I have ever heard of involving Jack was some Mitochondrial DNA found on a letter that may or may not have been sent by Jack, who may or may not have licked the envelope.
Very interesting hub and well-written, too!
Coincidentally, I am reading the Paul H. Feldman book, "Jack the Ripper: The Final Chapter", in which Feldman points the accusing finger at James Maybrick. Feldman's evidence is mostly coincidental, but he also trots out both Sir Melville Macnaughten of Scotland Yard and Oscar Wilde the writer as believing that Jack the Ripper was James Maybrick. Of course, Macnaughten has more credibility as an investigator, but this also shows you how very circumstantial Feldman's case is against James Maybrick.
Frankly, if we don't someday discover some stupendous (and unlikely) piece of convincing evidence as to who JTR really is, I believe our great-grandchildren will be debating (and writing) about the identity of Jack.
Jack the Ripper is like the 'Devil's improved version' of the New York Times crossword puzzle: endlessly fascinating but unltimately unsolvable.
-- Jeff Duff
P.S. to CrazyHorsesGhost - As the popularity of this hub demonstrates - and what the above slew of interesting comments demonstrates - is that you might want to keep a close eye out for the latest writings and theories of Ripperologists! I can project a whole series of very popular hubs based on 'Naughty Jack' on the latest theories about him. Just a suggestion ...
i agree,the evidence is very strong.i would also like to see the same investigator do cases on zodiac,boston strangler,as well as one case named the town that dreaded sundown;two of theses were never solved,and the boston strangler was supposely pinned on a guy(A.D.)to get the cased solved in a hurry
The evidence presented in this show is very compelling. One or two coincidences can be explained away. There is overwhelming evidence that James Kelly was the Ripper.
What is mysterious to me is that despite this mountain of "proof" people refuse to let go of other theories. I guess that's okay...more fun than fact. I close the book on Jack the Ripper now. I choose to believe that James Kelly was the Ripper. Next case!
h. h. holmes easily mistaken for james kelly compare all their pics guys---holmes arrived in london as the murders began..kelly was in broadmoor at the time of the murders....holmes left london after the murders...i think holmes met kelly and decided to use him as a scapegoat after noticing the resemblance...i think holmes practiced alot both in london and the u.s. before he set up trade in his castle by then it was second nature to him and he the more he killed, the more desirable it became until it was his sole motivation in life- the money scams were just a way of allowing him to continue unabated his obsession....
I have always been interested in the Jack the Ripper Case. Thanks for giving me more information about this cold case, and also I have heard a theory that Jack the Ripper was a doctor, because when a doctor died all the killings from this case had stopped. So to get this whole "Jack the Ripper was a Doctor" idea was real...He was a doctor wasn't he? I'm sorry for my weirdness in questions. >_
I wonder if we will ever know the answer of the famous question of "who done it"? although I still lean towards the suspect that was a member of parliment...
jack the ripper in us
Surely if Jack The Ripper did go to America then surely there would be records of him leaving.
For example, wouldn't there be any boat boarding passes?
I think Carl fagenbaun is jack the ripper he was a merchant seaman traveling from Germany to London staying in whitechaple at the time of murders then traveling to new York where he murdered and mutilated a prostitute there . He was then caught buy the police and sentenced to death at sing sing prison
very intriguing and I almost lean to it being James Kelly, but think of the Juwes, of the way the british have always protected any disorder within the royal family. Masonic Juews, King Solomon, the three to kill - Juwes.
Odd thing for a killer who only dreams of murdering whores dont you think. What does he care for the current politics of the day, the growing immigrant population - the whores were not of that ancestory, surely a poorly visible one liner on a dim-lit wall to such a cool, calculating man would be of little presure to help rid the country of the immigration populase.
The murders ending with Mary Kelly. A trail laid bare by the government - to wherelse other than the new country, a couple of 'copycat' murders to complete the task and then silence.
I watch just about every program on this topic, why, who knows, I am not going to find anything new no matter how much I watch, but live in hope.
queen victoria and her hench men of the freemason underworld know more than they should be allowed to keep to themselves and have more to answer for than is led to believe in these murders. what happened to the 'so many years' law when information has to be made public on request.
pppfff
If he killed his wife why a insane asyllum why not death row? If he killed all of those women why expose the information?Why not just kill all of the women in the world?You know get people to do the dirty work with him.WHAT A SICKO!!!!!!!!
ms murder, i agree. hh holmes (herman mudgett) is JtR.
Back then the police departments didn't have our forensic expertise but it would be interesting if they could go back and do their investigation knowing then what we know now; they could use dna to find the real "jack the ripper".
I have heard many theories and many suspects have been blamed? James Kelly though is a new suspect never heard of before.
they have no evidence if Jose Rizal is really Jack the Ripper..............
What about George Chapman, aka Seweryn Klowoski? He is the one Inspector Abberline suspected as being Jack the Ripper. The man was convicted of poisoning three of his wives and was executed in London. He did live in Whitechapel during the time of the Ripper murders, and again in New York City when the Ripper murders occurred there. One of his wives also reported having seen a knife similar to the one Jack used to murder his victims in Chapman's possession. Chapman did work as a barber, but did have training as a surgeon in Poland before emigrating to England.
That's wicked! I simply love this article!
It may make me sound murderous but I look up to Jack the Ripper! He was so graceful at not being caught and so sly when he came to the states. Simply worth adoring!
Thank you for posting this. (:
First of all any person who thinks jack is great or cool is sick!Nobody should treat another humen like that. On to my suspect george hutchison if you look at him and his statement to police and the news,he stands out like a moth to a flame.Do your research people!
He's always looked good to me for the killings. He has the right profile and signature.
As far as the profile goes, the DSM4TR would give Kelly a axis 1 diagnosis of DD (delusional disorder). Axis 2 ASPD (antisocial personality disorder). And if all accounts are correct, possibly an axis 3 of a physical disorder of some sort. Whether real or delusional.
Kelly had thought his wife had given him some sort of venereal disease. He tried to cure himself from this without a doctor because of the stigma behind having one.
Then he transfered his paranoia to all women. When he argued with his wife, her mother intervened and he stabbed his wife in the neck.
Remember, until the late 70s people with ASPD were put in mental hospitals.
He was committed in 1883, was a model patient, sounds familiar, until his escape in early 1888. He was receiving money through an inheritance in Scotland and traveled from London to Glasgow for many years in between.
After 1888 the police in London stopped looking for him even though they had been.
All of the London murders had the same signature as he. In America, for years wherever he went there were murders that had the same signature.
M.O. changes. Signature does not.
this is a intresting topic and i am doing it for english hope to find some good info for it
if jack the ripper went to new york then how did he get his bag with his kinfe through and why change his MO
why take his kill kit to america. his signature didn't change here and neither did his m.o. for that matter.
Why would a killer use the same knife for rest of his life???
very interesting, as a criminal psychology student and aspiring criminal profiler i find the evidence pretty compelling. would love to see the police reports and crime scene photos.
I am pretty positive it was James Kelly before i had seen all the extra evidence on James Kelly in my opinion it was Francis Tumbelty but after I saw the evidence i say "Hell I was wrong yup it was James Kelly indeed" I also have my own way of psychoanalyzing people....Now we take a mentally unstable man...his wife gives him syphalyis... which eats your at you and makes you crazy...smart though maybe like a savant he did escape with his own homeade key so retarded smart and in his mind drove even more crazy by the disease as a gift given to him by whores his fiance created the true monster and to him he was the penicillin of the day....syphalys kills millions "every action = equal and oposite reaction" kills by loving = loving the kills......If society cant handle or put up with "The nature of the beast" then quit feeding the beast as long as society is full of holier than though hipocrits, whores, racists, foundling uncles, bad parents, etc.... there will be people like jack for in their heads they are not doing so wrong, they are writing wrongs ... ohh sweet revenge ... beware of the guy that is becoming a cop because of jack the ripper seems to be a way to draw attention away a good cover for his possible later activities lol... cops are killers too "Once there was a boy shot 10 times in the back ... cops say worst case of suicide they ever saw"" :p
I have one question, who is the fifth girl in the red box? Mary Kelly didn't have a "live" picture of herself and when the police found her corpse she had no face left...
The FBI has done retrospective analysis of the data. Including, breaking down the location of each crime and via a complex weighting of each street in the area. The street most apt to be JTR's home, was set upon and police went house to house. They did not generate a suspect, but the saturation of police on the street where Jack lived, might well enough sent him packing. "Time to go visit uncle Bob."
I'm a forensic, behavioral expert and I'd bet the ranch he did not simply stop killing. Its anyones guess, where he took his next victim.
Jack the Ripper may be dead,but people could have taken his spot,and especially around New Orleans I would be careful because thats a place I would expect things like this to go down.
Wasn't there a murder in new york that was interuppeted by the victims son who went for help that led to an arrest?
Maybe someone helped him he could have been a she how do we know that is James Kelly it might not be him. In a way Jack the ripper is amazing man how he did what he did no one could do what he could do how. I think he killed himself because someone new where he was and it was coming to the end thanks to the offiers who tried to get him one day we will know much more :)
I read the Monstrumologist, and it hints that he was in New England for a while, and he used many names, like John Kearns, Richard Cory, and John J.J. Schmidt of Whitechapel.
I figured it was a bit odd.
I am currently working on the H.H. Holmes/JTR theory and all I can say to you guys is, read the book "Bloodstains" by Jeff Mudgett great-great grandson of H.H. Holmes, you can get the book via www.bloodstainsthebook.com then email me with your thoughts at MaryW@CentralPRS.com will be interesting to read what you think......Mary
I never believed that the killings of Jack the Ripper just stopped. Serial killers can't stop. Once they start killing over and over it becomes exciting to them and they need the rush of killing to feel alive. Ted Bundy is a perfect example of this. I am not so sure that the cases in New York are linked. Very similar yes, but there are minor differences in the killers signature. I believe that the New York murders were nothing but copycat crimes. There were more murders with the same signature that turned up in London in the 1890s. London didn't link the muders to the Ripper because the bodies were mutalated to the point they didn't believe it was him. I however believe it was. If you look at the patterns of most serial killers they gradually get more and more violent and extreme with the killings they make (they do this because the old way isn't doing it for them as well as it once did to reach that same rush or high). As far as who it could have been. That I believe we may never know without a doubt.
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Why has there not been a movie made of the new york murders, would be great
it is james kelly see he killed his wife and got put in jail that day and than his boss came fawred new evdins that kelly was not in his right staet of mind so in stead he got send to the mintol asilime tow mons
Did ripper ever go to Chicago?
i have just read about james kelly but i dont understand why would he just kill prostitutes because it seems the jack the ripper an yorkshier ripper have the same mined set towords women but peter sutcliffe killed normal girls as well. so im thinking that maby jack the ripper killed more in london but the police did not connect the killing because they where not prostitutes. it happend in the yorkshier ripper hunt the victims that did not be attacked or killed the same way did not apper as a victim of peter sutcliffe.
Scott.Life 2 years ago
A very interesting theory to an old mystery. It is certainly possible that The Ripper could have traveled to New York. It would be a plausible theory to explain his disappearance from England.